Gig review of The Stills + The Open + Kaiser Chiefs

Gig Date: Tuesday, 17th February 2004 | 1,536 page views.

The Stills @ Joseph's Well

By Gavin Miller

Two support bands. Why? Why oh fucking why? Maybe I need clarification, but I thought the whole point of a support band was to warm up the crowd for the main event, not take away all the time from them? I didn't get to see The Stills tonight, and so I'm angry. Very angry in fact, at this whole two support band thing. If you're going to do it, at least make them start early, or make them cut a few songs out if they're over- running, (which they were tonight, by about 30 minutes) but no. We got 3 hours of cueing, soundchecks and bands we didn't come here to see.

The Kaiser Chiefs were good though, sounding like early R.E.M. processed through the mixer of every band currently living in New York City. The lead singer did his best Stellastarr* impression, but he obviously had the vocal range and the stage presence to pull it off. The best song of theirs tonight was one called (at least I think it was called) 'This Is The Modern Way' which had the most simple guitar riff in living history, but as most guitar players will tell you, sometimes the simple things are the most effective. Matched to that were some of the coolest Nintendo- esque bleeps and bips that you've ever heard, and it all worked really rather well. They were supposed to come on at 8:15, but didn't take the stage until at least 8:45, which meant that I was on borrowed time already, with the last train home getting ever closer. They were entertaining enough though, with their high-energy power chords and new wave sound. If this band don't come from New York and aren't from 1987, then they bloody well should be.

The Open were next on stage after another lengthy soundcheck, and it's apparent from the onstage attitude of the lead singer, that he ain't a happy bunny. I even saw him mouth the words "fucking bullshit" at one point, which, on it's own isn't so bad, but he didn't raise a smile all night, and at the end could be seen throwing bits of kit around on the stage. Musically, they were pretty damn good. They had atmospheric keyboards, delay boxes a go-go (even on his vocals) and that big, belting drum sound I only thought existed on 'Rock Action'- era Mogwai. Well, I could be wrong. They showed off their impressive song writing skills yet tiresome rock 'n roll attitude with aplomb tonight, splitting the audience in two as to whether they liked them. My mate told me later that he "really didn't like them", and after the carnage had subsided when they walked off stage, someone down at the front yelled "you're shit!" The Telecaster's were on full 'twang' mode tonight, resulting in an ear piercingly high pitch strum fest, but the tunes were most definitely there. One of them being the set closer 'Can You Hear Me?' (I think it's called that- he sang it an awful lot anyway) with it's gigantic guitar riffing and drumming like a pneumatic drill. It took a while to get going, but once they did, they really did. Think 'Lost Souls' by Doves, but remixed by Sonic Youth & 'Come On Die Young' re recorded with The Pixies, and you're almost there.

So, it's now 10:45, and the Stills finally come on stage. My applause was muted however, as I only saw the first track 'Killer Bees' from their brilliant debut EP 'Rememberese' (which also includes the insanely catchy 'Still In Love Song'). It sounds ace, with that tight, punchy drum sound and those spacey, delayed-to-fuck guitars, matched with the booming bass and the always catchy vocal hook.

As I'm leaving, I hear the opening bass riff of new single 'Lola Stars & Stripes'. Nuts I thought to myself, I really wanted to see that. With not much more to tell you, I'm sure the rest of their set was as good as the opener, but thanks to the two support bands taking their sweet bloody time, I missed it all.

I'm really not clear as to why bands want two support acts with them. All it does is infuriate anyone who has to stand up though yet another set, still longing for the band they came to see. And I'm sure Phil from Marketing thinks it's a good idea, because people get their money's worth, but it's not. It's annoying. Very, very annoying. Maybe it's record company politics, maybe it's something to do with the venues, but please, for the love of all that's good and true, stop it! Or at least make sure they're on early. One girl stood behind me as The Stills came on said to her friend "One song, and I've got to go get the bus! I paid £7 for this too".

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Comments

Sam Saunders wrote...

Say it again and say it loud! Leeds closes at eleven for anyone who lives more than a taxi away. SORT YOURSELVES OUT PROMOTERS!

Profile | Posted 18th February 2004 at 15:23   back to article

peaced wrote...

The stills soundchecked for just under 2 hours. That is why it was running late. Kaiser Chiefs soundchecked for just under 10 minutes. so, the reason why you didn't see the main band was because they are selfish.

Profile | Posted 18th February 2004 at 15:32   back to article

Dave LMS wrote...

Two hours seems a little excessive for a venue like the Well, what were they doing for all that time?

Profile | Posted 18th February 2004 at 15:42   back to article

peaced wrote...

They were mainly talking about the bass sound and generally being slow and anally retentive.

Profile | Posted 18th February 2004 at 18:24   back to article

bazzy f wrote...

Yeah, things need to be done definitely.
Bands should be able to start soundchecking earlier if possible and all bands given a time limit to s/check within. If it is properly organised and everybody knows the score BEFORE the bands turn up, things would run alot smoother.
For example if one band has got a thousand guitar pedals, a load of vocalists and numerous bits of hand percussion then the venue should know about it and be prepared for it. Sending out a decent spec sheet for bands to fill out is also something that doesn't seem to happen that much at smaller venues these days. Bad organisation is rife in alot of small venues and doesn't help keeping the struggling live scene above water. The "can't be arsed" attitude isn't going to help anyone and unless bands show their own initiative to communicate properly with the promoters/soundguys prior to the show, then its pot luck whether it's all going to go tits up. Some inexperienced bands might not know how to go about this though and it should really be the job of the promoters to make sure the show is going to run as smoothly as possible.

Rant over!! It's just so infuriating when you've seen it done properly and you know how simple it can be and then you turn up at a place and see it all turn to s**t.
Oh, and no I wasn't with any of the bands on Tuesday!

Profile | Posted 19th February 2004 at 10:53   back to article

felalfy wrote...

I think there's a hell of a lot of presumption going on here, and it's not helpful.

We send out a full spec sheet, including timings, to EVERY tour manager for shows @ The Well. There is a noise curfew meaning soundchecks can't start until 5.30pm - which still left 2 1/2 hours for 3 bands to soundcheck.

The fact that The Stills (not the venue or any of the support acts) had technical difficulties is unavoidable and bound to cause delays.

Don't criticise until you get the details, which I would have gladly provided.

Profile | Posted 19th February 2004 at 15:55   back to article

bazzy f wrote...

Apologies for any direct offence that may have caused - it was a general rant, not talking about any person/venue in particular, just about what it CAN get like when gigging/going to gigs sometimes. I was refering to out of town venues aswell; even when appearingly well organised, you get there and the soundman doesn't even know who's playing!!?! I mean with the live scene constantly fighting the "dance/clubbing scene" for participants, especially in Leeds, things need to be as good as they can be to keep people interested and not wonder off to some soulless club because they're fed up with a shoddily put together show. Leeds is certainly getting there, it's just difficult enough as it is to get people to go to gigs in this town! I wasn't even there on Tuesday (unfortunately) and I was just prompted by a couple of things that had been said RE: the article.

Profile | Posted 19th February 2004 at 16:52   back to article

Dave LMS wrote...

Mido, I think you're right in what you say, although I do also think that other than me and Nick who, for a brief moment were skirting around why it took two hours for The Stills to soundcheck, the comments/criticisms made were very general and the reviewer (& subsequent posts) too were making specific points but not attributing them to any specific venue, promoter, etc. (i.e. the first mention of the Well is in your reply). It is a problem that does happen - not all the time, not even most of the time, but occasionally and gets on some people's nerves and I think those people are justified in saying that overunning gigs in general pisses them off. On the main forum the subject comes up several times a year. Travellers don't care why their train was delayed, they just moan and criticise that it was. The road should always be dug up another day. The reasons are all perfectly valid, but you have to consider that people will still be put out and will want to vent their frustration. Afterall, these are the current and future customers (of all venues) in a rather fickle market. Some may vent their frustration by not going to another gig. Drastic though that seems. Likewise, I think you are justified in putting over some of the facts in relation to the Well policy/restrictions, and also Nick for explaining what the delay in this specific case was. But discussion - with facts - does widen everyone's awareness to the causes of the problems experienced by them as customers. I think one question that was asked in relation to this particular gig, but it applies to all gigs in all venues, was that knowing that it was going to overrun (for unavoidable reasons, granted) by thirty minutes, could it be considered an option to ask the openers to cut, say, two songs from their set and the main support band to drop one song, which might recover 10-15 minutes. Gavin suggested having just one support band, but I do think this is rather ott. I'm not saying this wasn't attempted at The Stills gig, it's a generic comment being made once again, but the question of cutting down the sets of support bands to recoup time was raised by Gavin I think and could be answered by any of the promoters who read this board perhaps... the point that people pay good money to see the main touring band should be a significant consideration and possibly outweighs the grief that'd be received by the promoter or venue from the support bands who'd now also be pissed off. Its a tough call. But then promotion is tough, I know, I tried it. Dave (not siding with anyone, providing no answers and rather sitting on the fence).

Profile | Posted 19th February 2004 at 16:54   back to article

jpdfan2 wrote...

wow, looks like a struck a nerve!!

Profile | Posted 20th February 2004 at 12:24   back to article

rebeljukebox wrote...

what New York band from 1987 do the kaiser Chiefs sound like?

Profile | Posted 23rd February 2004 at 17:35   back to article

Sam Saunders wrote...

The Poetic Licences?

Profile | Posted 23rd February 2004 at 21:34   back to article

Terrence Chipchase wrote...

This is totally crazy, the third band slot is good for local bands, which you bods should be all in favour of. There's five and a half hours between 5:30 and 11:00 this is plenty of time for three bands to set up and soundcheck. Sort it out people, cutting the second support slot is a crime. If the Kaiser Cheifs can sound that good after 10mins then so can anyone.

Profile | Posted 24th February 2004 at 14:06   back to article

rebeljukebox wrote...

see, i could have sworn the Kaiser Chiefs sounded british. Oh well.

Profile | Posted 24th February 2004 at 17:22   back to article

Dave LMS wrote...

I don't think you're going to get any disagreement from (most of) the people here, Terrence. All in favour of three (or more) band line ups, and local supports to touring bands.

Profile | Posted 24th February 2004 at 22:34   back to article

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